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@carniemechanic: Simple. Even assuming all of evolution is true, only continue following the trail backwards and one is forced to admit that, at a certain point, we have no explanation for the existence of energy and matter. All of our theories for the beginning of the universe start from the assumption that matter, energy, and the basic laws that govern their relations already exist. We have never observed anything to exist of its own, therefore there necessarily needs to be an outside, powerful (more than our own power), and ultimately ethereal being, since a being made of matter cannot very well create matter. What other definition of God do you need?
Most don’t contain a source or credit for the photographer. Please, for the sake of those talented and crazy enough to take these and to help ensure more are taken in the future, credit the photographer!
Granted. There isn’t proof, or even a solid guess, as to exactly what happened at the moment of the Big Bang, however. Evolution doesn’t answer that question, or even attempt to. Whether you think the universe exists Just Because, or whether you think the universe exists because God created it, you’re acting on faith either way. Something to think about.
Nice photos. I don’t mind they’re taken from other sites without any recognition, but the first image is fake. I know the photographer claims his sky photos are real but they’re not. There is no way to take a picture of a galaxy and not have star trails in the sky, it’s just not possible.
Absolutely incredible. I get close to thinking that this is so amazing it might have been done on Ps, but I much rather believe that this is real and contemplate the beauty of this planet. Thank you for who ever photographed and posted this!
Just because we don’t currently know where energy and matter originated does not mean that god is the answer. This just means that we as humans have not found the answer. Remember when is was generally accepted that the earth was the center of the universe and was also flat?
And your basically saying that anything we can’t answer is god. I think its much more likely that the spaghetti monster did it 😛
how about thank you EVOLUTION for allowing your ancestors to develop photosensitive receptors that would allow them to detect and thereby evade predators? I think that’s a little more important to the whole concept of seeing than a bunch of unsubstantiated stories about magic.
I can’t even express how much it bothers me when otherwise-intelligent people look at life with the same degree of complexity as cavemen who were afraid of thunder.
‘educated’ or pejorative?
Besides, its not about ‘the concept of seeing’ but rather the beauty of what is being seen. How can you not be amazed by the world we live in, especially as seen in these pictures, regardless of whether you believe in God or not?
You say you’re educated but have you ever read the Bible? It isn’t a bunch of stories about “magic;” it isn’t some predecessor to Harry Potter. In addition you can say that evolution is the intelligent answer. Obviously there is a missing link, and please tell me how the world came to be? Oh, is it the Big Bang Theory? Guess what, you have to have faith to believe in that too.
The Bible, thoroughally and critically read, is one of the most potent causes of atheism available.
Believing that all earth’s species evolved from the same initial life form is a conclusion based on overwhelming evidence from a wide variety of scientific disciplines. Faith is belief without valid evidence.
Believing that the origin of the universe is the same thing as the evolution of life on this planet is the result of scientific ignorance.
That’s a very narrow perspective. The natural world is not restricted to “all things bright and beautiful”. What about the horrors of nature? What kind of “creator” would invent living things that must kill and torture other living things simply to survive? The Jewish Yahweh god is credited with creating evil, hell, parasites and carnivores along with pretty flowers and sunsets. How would the world be different if everything were created by the laws of physics and chemistry? Would snowflakes and rainbows be any less beautiful? Would tsunamis, earthquakes and death by predator or an “act of god” be any less horrendous?
The cosmological argument for the existence of the Christian (or any other type of) god is deeply flawed and has been dismissed by prominant philosophers for centuries. It is also based on total or relative ignorance of modern physics .
It assumes that the laws of Newtonian physics (the ones which apply to the world most people experience) apply to the sub-atomic world. This world is very different and has its own unique physical laws. It is this realm which gave rise to the birth of the universe. Quantum physics provides an explanation for the commencement of the universe in terms of random fluctuations in the eternal states of energy and gravity giving rise to virtual particles which borrow the energy they need to exist and then return it when they flick out of existence again. Scientists who work with particle accelerators observe particles coming into existence from “nothing” every day, and then returning to nothingness. They also “observe” mini black holes (infinite gravity and infinite matter in zero space ) blinking in and out of existence.
There is no need to call these states and potentials “god” when there are perfectly good scientific terms already in use. Nor is it reasonable or necessary to imbue these extremely basic natural phenomena with a complex mind, personality and intent, especially one which fits the extensive human-like characteristics of one’s own unique variety of “god”.
To be fair, nothing about believing in a god marks someone as unintelligent. I’m not a religious guy, but I am logical. There is no way to scientifically prove god or God does or doesn’t exsist. To make a conclusion either way is to act on faith – faith in a higher power or faith that our science is adequate.
And since when did the theory of evolution disprove the idea of God? Logically it seems likely that if a god did create everything, evolution would be part of that “everything.”
It’s true that modern day science discredits some older beliefs of christianity (or your religion of choice) but it’s also true that modern science discredits many established scientific concepts as well.
How can anyone make a definite statement about the existence or non-existence of a creative force that defies definition? It seems just as likely to me that someone created us as us randomly coming to be. And if we ARE a fortuitous culmination of an infinite number of variables, then to me that makes chaos itself the creative force. What difference does it make?
I absolutely adore these photographs, and I must agree that the beauty and serenity of these are tortured by your debate. Is it that you simply are incapable of realizing that humans have been given the ability to think for themselves (therefore everyone has their own oppinions) or is it that you strive so hard to be correct that it hurts your ego that someone is using their own form of logic? We all think differently and we must accept that. No one truly knows the answer to anything, as many philosophers have proven. All we know is, “I think-therefore I am.” Be proud for yor your independant thoughts and cherish the idea that there are many open doors in this world. Be respectful -(p.s. im sixteen and religious but I have the decency to accept un-religious people’s oppinions)
No one can ask to prove that something does not exist because one could look in an infinite amount of places that that thing could be and not find it. It is the job of the believer to prove that something does in fact exist. Until somebody can prove that God exists, I have no reason to believe otherwise.
It’s annoying when people use education as a means of atheism when in fact if you were a little bit more educated it relates to what your “cavemen” believe. For one, Albert Einstein recognized that the Universe had a beginning, the Big Bang, and he attributed it to a higher power. Last I checked he is one of the most intelligent people to ever live. Matter was also formed after the Big Bang from nothing, which defies the laws of science, but scientifically matter formed after and instantly! Just so you know evolution has just as many holes as creationism does, one in being that fossils disprove it. There are millions of “missing links” that have never been found, and more fossils of new species keep showing up that have no connotation to others. It is possible to believe in evolution AND creationism, and it is sad to think that people use mediocre education as an excuse to be atheist when in fact education supports BOTH.
Not to discredit the photographs… they are really beautiful… but a lot of them have been photoshopped! perhaps this should be titled “32 Pictures To Help You Appreciate The Awesomeness Of Nature And Human Ingenuity” 😛
How do you “observe” a black hole, mini or other wise? That is complete rubbish. The modern day cosmologist is nothing but an intellectual idiot. They keep heaping unproven theory upon unproven theory. Starting with the big bangola.
If you want to find God you must first except the fact that as a human you will never understand what infinity truly is. You can stare directly into it and your brain will all ways try to conceptualize it but it can’t because it is not a concept. You can define it only in abstract terms because it doesn’t exist. It is all inclusive yet has no boarders. A true paradox. You look for a beginning but there isn’t one. Sound vaguely familiar?
That doesn’t matter to you because you dwell in the Godless world of theoretical science. Where you can “observe” black holes, dark energy, quasars and nuclear suns. Where all things are liner and gravity rules the day.
Those are just a few of the “faithful” concepts one needs to “believe” in to be considered intelligent in your world. You supply no more proof of these “concepts” yet you speak of them as if they are fact.
In the limited scope of the scientific mind God must be proved to “exist” to be real. That is impossible, because God doesn’t exist. Just like infinity doesn’t exist and it is not a concept either yet it is very, very real.
God is and that is all and all is God that is.
If you want proof of God I offer you the infinite universe and all it’s heavenly wonders. If that’s not enough then I can’t help you. Maybe CERN will lead you to God. Or maybe it will create a black hole that will devourer the earth in which case I stand corrected. I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Did DNA not exist before scientist “discovered” it? No one likes religion shoved down their throat. The feeling is mutual when a simple comment based on personal belief arouses some to insist that you have no faith at all or that you’re an idiot if you do. Should I condemn every atheist I meet to an eternal hell? I see that behavior as two shoes belonging to the same set of feet and its all quite laughable. I respect you because you’re a human being here on planet Earth regardless of what you believe. May your thoughts be ones that guide you to positive actions whether God is there or not.
@educated, you can’t go on defining people as intelligent if they don’t believe in God, its called a belief. No one cares if it bothers you. Keep in mind that you’ll stumble upon many people who do believe in God,so it’ll bother you numerous times.
They didn’t drag God into the discussion. They just expressed their belief of how God made these wonderful creations, and they didn’t destroy anything either.
It was not uncalled for, it was expected, you should know that by now with all the people there is that do believe in God.
But Tempi is right, this did turn into a debate just because one person expressed their belief. It’s there opinion and people should just leave it alone, not start an arguement. :/
” The cosmological argument for the existence of the Christian (or any other type of) god is deeply flawed and has been dismissed by prominant philosophers for centuries..”
I would be very careful talking and thanking “SCIENCE” (which is indeed a human endeavor, and humans are flawed.) Science is simply an individuals coming to understand the world in which they live…and YES, we are continuing to advance thanks to the documentation of those that came before us…but for SOME reason, interestingly enough, the Bible which is ALSO a form of documentation from HOW MANY YEARS AGO?…or wait, DECADES? and this is eradicated because for some reason it doesn’t make “sense” to us…
Let me propose an idea for you.. Let me reference a book for you to consider– Medical Apartheid, which discusses the scientific experiments that were done on Black Americans because, in essence, they were not viewed as equal human beings IF human beings at all. Would you be so willing to accept this process of experimentation by these scientists currently? When, in these days, I would venture to say that the black species is just as capable of a human being as the white…and I’m doubtful that the scientific research done would be so unwaveringly supported…yet….it was THEN.
So I might consider, before you begin placing your trust in the experiments that are currently being done…which COULD possibly be dismissed in the next decade…I would try taking a little time to research those documents that have stuck around generation after generation after generation.
Fourth photo from the bottom belonged to my uncle at the time this picture was taken–it is located at Cypress Springs, FL. Don’t know the photographer’s name, but it was first released in National Geographic Magazine around ten years ago.
Evolution is not a theory that deals with the initial creation of matter, our universe, or even life itself. It is merely the conclusion that has been reached–based on a plethora of data wrought with the scientific method–to describe the patterns we see of change over time of species.
I have read the Bible and I still accept the Theory of Evolution as fact. If you were to truly study the evidence–and approach it with an open mind–you would see that there is no other valid explanation of speciation other than Evolution. Attempting to argue against Evolution without truly understanding it merely highlights your ignorance on the topic to anyone who *does* understand it.
I do have one genuine question for all of you anti-evolutionists: if you aren’t willing to appreciate the validity of the scientific method and its ability to give us something as fundamental as the Theory of Evolution, how can you wholeheartedly put your “faith” in it when it comes to something like antibiotics or antivirals? Or radiation and chemotherapy for cancer patients? Do you avoid consuming lead? How about eating fruit & vegetables for your health? I hope you realize that the same scientific methods used to develop medications, identify toxins, and to study things like antioxidants and healthy foods were also used to develop the Theory of Evolution. In my humble opinion, you can’t just pick-and-choose what aspects of science you’re willing to accept, if you’re going to accept any at all.
That being said, I don’t see why you couldn’t accept Evolution as fact (or at least a likely *possibility*) while still believing that the universe was ultimately created divinely. They’re not intrinsically mutually exclusive, since Evolution does not deal with the origins of matter. I’m a mechanistic scientist, and yet I have oftentimes felt so overwhelmed with the beauty of nature that I can completely understand how it might be attributed to divinity. (Even though my undergraduate neurobiology professor would shout “A fallacy!” at me if he heard me admit that…!)
No. Thank YOU… for being the pretentious prick who is so insecure about his beliefs that he feels the need to start what he knows will be an argument with somebody who is saying thank you to a god you don’t believe in in a perfectly innocent way. Thanks for setting him straight. Ok. You disagree with him. You’re so much more advanced than that huge population of people who see the world like “cavemen”. Great. You must have the tiniest little penis on the planet. I hope that whole being smarter than everybody thing compensates.
To you debaters,
There are smarter people than you on both sides of the argument. It is lousy to assume that just because someone believes something differently than you that they must be stupid. Both religion and science fail to explain everything at some point – probably because the questions are really hard to answer. To think that you know the answers is foolish and arrogant.
To you trendy atheists – lose the high and mighty attitude that you also hypocritically denounce. Don’t be rude. It’s kind of annoying. Not every religious person is trying to cram religion down your throat. People are allowed to thank God if they want to.
The questions “How?” and “Why?” are just what they appear to be – two different questions.
These pictures should just show us that the world we live in is beautiful… and I think it’s really sad that we as the humans who inhabit this beautiful planet cannot seem reflect that beauty in our own lives… Why must we argue and call names because we have differences? These pictures are not about proving or disproving God, or evolution, or anything. These pictures are showing that we live in a beautiful world. Can’t we all just embrace that and love each other despite religion or belief? We live in an outstandingly beautiful world. Why can’t we just be happy for that?
Hate to break it to so many of you, but most award-winning photographs these days are tweaked with Adobe Photoshop – doesn’t make the pictures any less phenomenal, nor does it make them “fake.”
I’m only annoyed that there are no credits because I would like to see more work from some of the photographers, and would like to know where a few of the shots were taken (#14, 20, 24) – can anyone help with that?
Water to wine? Living in a whale’s stomach? Parting the ocean? People turning into inanimate objects (salt)? You’re right. That isn’t magic. Additionally, could you please enlighten me to the nature of this “missing link” you cited? Where is your information, and what do you even mean? I’d really like to see you try to point out the weaknesses in the evolutionary theory.
The problem is that no one has proven Evolution. The world minority won’t shut up about it being true, but there are so many holes in it that it’s just as good as any religion. You talk as if you rest on a chronological strand of definitive data, when the research is so inconclusive that it’s not funny. Just because you think it’s the most probable answer, and that maybe it makes the most sense to you, doesn’t mean you even have the least clue as to where the gaping fallacies are in the general theory. Examine the theory, and you’ll notice that it’s about as logical as a fantasy world. People like to fall into the modern trend of turning science into science fiction.
Most pictures are NOT photoshopped! You people just get so used at computer images that you think nature can not create these wonderful colors. I go out in nature often and already have seen most of these color combinations.
The pictures are beautiful, amazing, phenomenal, breathtaking, inspiring, good, stunning.
So are our abilities to appreciate them and also to enhance them.
The praise is wonderful, properly attributed, not misplaced.
Both for the majestic bigger picture and the ones making effort to snap the instants.
The debate is fascinating from all three sides.
As all make some logical and legitimate claims; yet ultimately only one is right.
It’s the journey that counts, of life, knowledge, and beauty.
And one’s final destination must crown it, not be ignored.
My wish for all is to search the truth and find it, and express it.
Do not silence those in the process who do so, nor those who attempt to.
The misunderstanding here is, in my opinion, that when people talk about God, they do this because they WANT to submit themselves to nature. When people talk about evolution they WANT to understand and master nature. I don’t believe in GOD because i just cannot understand the nessecity of the concept, but I do want to submit myself to nature when I see those pictures!
Natures beauty can’t really be matched or equaled by any man’s design whatsoever.
Its a God’s gift given to us for our consumption and proof of his awesome power that cannot be fathomed by any man’s great minds.
Now i just want to move to the icelandic countryside or someplace crazy. Anyplace with a fjord would be nice…. commune with nature… I wouldn’t care how tiny my house was. Ok, that’s my new ambition, find a tiny little place on a fjord and move into it…
Educated or Indoctrinated?
The scientific method is a meticulous method used to isolate and identify causes. It can only be used on observable causal events that can be replicated. It doesn’t apply to things like: love, beauty, justice, reason, equality or even history. Unless Rosita has a time machine and has made multiple trips, she has not embraced the theory of evolution using the scientific method. She probably hasn’t used it to formulate a hypothesis since the 8th grade science fair (I know I haven’t. What drudgery). As a theory, evolution attempts to explain existence with mindless, energy operating toward no purpose. First, one has to assume that a finite amount of energy has just always existed or spontaneously appeared. This takes great faith. The evolutionary theorist also assumes their explanation somehow has validity and is not a product of the same mindless process. If thinking evolved by accident, why would we believe our accidental conclusions to be true? This is where they fail, utterly and completely. Can the mindless universe produce a mind? Can an irrational processes produce reason? No. Reason comesfrom reason. Likewise, choice comes from choice, not from the inert or non choosing. Morals do not come from the amoral. The theory contains these huge inherent contradictions and lacks explanatory power. Otherwise, it’s a fine theory. Really, there are only 3 possibilities when it comes to origins: something came from nothing; an impersonal beginning (energy or matter/time and chance) or a Personal/intelligent beginning. Which options takes the most faith? Which option(s) provides the possibility that our reason is valid and can be trusted?
By the way, did you see beautiful, awe-inspiring pictures or colored pixels in random blobs?
I saw an Artist at work.
Evolution may not be the answer(i lean towards it, though), but that does not automatically incur a divine being. Evolution is the best explanation right now. Might I add it’s the only explanation with PHYSICAL evidence and HUMAN LOGIC behind it. God may have created this beautiful universe, or maybe you crazy white people are all wrong and it was all the work of Allah. All i know is, the world and the universe have been around for billions upon billions of years before man was even in the near future. Would this divine being have created tons of galaxies with no man? Why do you think religion has only come about since the beginning of MAN. Do you think Velociraptors prayed every morning and went to church every Sunday? No. Because they were mindless beasts designed to kill, not to have faith in it’s creator, because it’s creator was it’s mother(which taught it exactly where to go for the killshot). T-rex’s were in no way religious. Brachiosaurus’s were even peaceful plant-eaters, but even still, they lived in the hostile and vicious world where at any moment they would be dinner(or breakfast) for whatever carnivore came across them and got the best of them. Is there anything divine about that? Hypothetically speaking, do you think extra-terrestrial’s believe in God? Is there a world millions of light year’s away that really thinks a divine being created this universe, too? Again hypothetically, when a star explodes creating a supernova and it ends up destroying the earth, was that God’s exit plan for us? When a hypothetical species of deer, hypothetically are forced to move to a climate for some hypothetical reason, is it God’s decision that the one’s with thicker fur survive and that the species starts to develop thicker fur with every generation? I’m actually gonna go with no on that one, because the strongest do survive. Is it God that wanted religious figures at the Vatican to openly register and support Nazi fascism during WWII(which if you forgot that same group killed about 10 million people of different ethnic backgrounds)? That’s really divine. I was brought up as a Roman Catholic, and all the teachings are fine and dandy, and they really kept me interested for a while. Although, now that i’m older and see the world for what it is, and for what it was, God just seems unlikely. Which takes me back to my first point. Did God create dinosaur’s just for fun? To watch them run around and kill each other so he could sit back and put his feet up until man and the modern world were ready to begin and get the real show on the road? And then when he decided to create man he just sent a bunch of his friends down to spread the word of how freaking awesome he is? Or was it just a bunch of people, with no technology, no scientific method, an archaic means of research, that just wanted an answer for the world around them(or a nice donation once a week to help out their divine being’s bank account, how much you think it put him back to create the universe?). Why didn’t Jesus come around a lot earlier than a couple thousands of years ago? People can believe in religion as i have many friends and family, as well as friend’s family who constantly try to get me to believe in any type of religion. BUT, if you believe in religion and need people who believe in Evolutionism or Darwinism or whatever to really see your faith and that it’s real, please look both ways and realize that’s what they believe and what they think is real. I get very adamant about this discussion because not once anywhere has God listened to a damn thing i had to say, and the fact that such a peaceful, loving being has created a world where the only rules are eat or be eaten, or shoot or be shot/blow up or be blown up for more modern interpretations. I always recall my mom telling me don’t believe everything you here. While she was referring to me not listening to rumors other little naive children were making up or twisting around, I think the same holds true for this religion mumbo jumbo. Just cause all these people throughout history believe there’s a God(or God’s for any Greek’s reading), why should you? You go through life realizing how you can trust almost nobody you meet(or very little), why do you think that you can trust all these people that lived before you that you never and never will meet in your life? All I ask is for people to really look into religion and show yourself some physical evidence. If you come up with anything let me know, ill start driving a car pool to church. BTW, Pictures are absolutely gorgeous. Seeing beautiful work like this really makes me want to change careers and be a Photographer.
I can help you with a couple of them:
5 – Peyto Lake in Banff National Park in the Canadian Rocky Mountains
8 – Moraine Lake in Banff National Park in the Canadian Rocky Mountains
21 – the peaks are the Torres del Paine near Puerto Natales in Chilean Patagonia
I love a good flame war about religion and trolls.
Amazing pictures, even better comments. Thanks to all who controbooted to the shit storm, had a good read and laugh. You’re all stupid. Thats my theory and my belief, so that makes me right by everyones standards stated on here.
Oh hey, look, a bunch of people in a pointless discussion about God vs Evolution instead of taking the time to actually look at the wonders of nature and marvelling at them irrespective of how they did or did not come to be.
Stupid is as stupid does. Your being stupid. Not because you don’t believe in god (i am not religious) but because you are being ignorant to someone else’s belief’s. So good job for saying something smart. You just look like an ass.
The minute you personify a supposedly random process – you are, in fact, giving that process intentions, and therefore a mind. Might as well call it God! Evolution is not the preserve of the intelligent- on the contrary- it merely reflects a world view for those with a chip on their shoulder. Do not be so belligerent towards those who ascribe to a different world view- it simply undercuts your own . Don’t be a bigot.
So incredibly beautiful. Why can’t we just enjoy nature instead of fighting about our own beliefs? I quietly enjoy these kind of fotos and places, and I think what I do or don’t believe. But everyone is so different, and we shouldn’t fight about that. If there is a God, there is a reason we are all different and we should appreciate this quality. We all do and like and believe different things, and you KNOW that by saying what you all said to eachother you will most definately start a fight. Because everyone wants to defend themselves.
Apart from what I believe or don’t believe (which I don’t even know yet, because I feel too young to decide such a big thing yet) – with this fight about believes and relegions you just distract yourself from the fact that these pictures are absolutely incredible. So please shut up and enjoy them, and if someone wants to express their love for God, or their love for evolution – please, feel free to write it here, but don’t screw with the beliefs of others.
Instead of thanking religion and EVOLUTION we should just be really thankful that we live in such a beautiful world,no matter what you believe we should all get along and just look in wonder at how amazing our planet is for its beauty
WOWOW…..It’s Wonderful & So Amazing & It’s power Of beauty ……It’s from World of dreams
….It’s SO SO beautiful Nature ………..When We see that Our hearts And Souls fly into the Sky but Never die !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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